Beliefs: Mormonism vs Christianity - Can a Comparison be Made?
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Mormons Vs. Christian Beliefs... A Comparison?
When I first began writing on HubPages, I saw a request for an article comparing Mormonism to Christianity. My first thought was - no problem - I can do that.
I was very excited to begin writing and teaching about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and thought that this would be a good request to respond to and share my beliefs about the Mormon faith.
So I wrote an article and posted it.
But each time I would go back and read it, frankly, I didn't like it.
I then decided to unpublish my article on this comparison and re-work it, and then republish the Hub - still thinking that this was a good idea.
A few weeks passed. Each time I would begin to read the original article that I wrote - that article requesting someone to make this comparison didn't feel right to me.
So, I began one more attempt to answer the request to compare Mormonism and Christianity...
To a Mormon Who Most Certainly Considers Herself a Christian -- It Seems an Unnecessary Comparison...
And then it came to my mind... a moment of reflection - and once again - I was drawn back to - WHY - I made the choice, in the first place - to write here on Hub Pages.
Isn't it funny, how we can have a reason for deciding to do something that we feel passionate about - and then - before we know it, we are doing something that looks completely different - from our original intended purpose. Is it just me?
So why am I uncomfortable with ongoing attempts to make comparisons between Mormonism and Christianity?
Because I feel, that unless I were able to first teach about the foundational perspective and beliefs of the Latter-day Saints -- a foundational perspective which begins with the idea that there has been a complete restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ as it was had upon the earth in the days of Christ -- unless we can begin at this point -- then to me this whole comparison thing sheds little light on understanding our differences.
When Does Christianity Matter and to Who....
I think to compare anything, it first requires the ability to understand the starting point of the two things that are being compared, one to another.
Mormons ask nonbelievers to ponder a different question -- was there an apostasy from The Church of Jesus Christ, anciently? -- Can others appreciate how this approach might change the comparison conversation?
It's my hope that when you understand our belief in a restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ and the teachings surrounding it, then you will better be able to understand why Mormons themselves feel confident in thier Christianity, and for the most part spend little time defending accusations that they are not Christian.
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I hope you can see a little more now, why I just decided to pull the other article under this title and respond in this way?
For those of you who have been kind enough to read my articles about the Mormon faith,here and in the future, thanks for your interest and willingness to look at Mormon beliefs from a Mormon perspective-- as I have said before, it is not my desire to come here and prove the LDS Church is true or right, or even defend it.
I am here to teach, and talk about the practices, doctrines and principles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in such a way, that those of you who read my articles, are better educated on Mormonism, in general, and about our beliefs.
If I have clarified anything that was not understood by a person prior to coming and reading my Hubs, then I have accomplished what I came here to do.
As always, I thank those of you who read my Hubs with a desire to learn more about Mormonism. Perhaps over time, if we are patient with one another - we can better understands our differences and appreciate one another versus finding ourselves divided.
A Christian is One Who Accepts and Follows the Teachings of Jesus Christ
I believe that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, must come to appreciate this difference -- upon which a comparison between Mormons and Christians is currently being discussed. Then perhaps, we as members of the LDS Church who firmly declare ourselves to be Christian, will with better clarity, understand the utter confusion to those who question our Christianity and how we claim to come unto Christ -- which is completely contrary to what others understand and know to be the way to come unto Christ.
A Christian is one who accepts Jesus Christ of Nazareth - as Savior and Redeemer of all mankind. A Christian is one who loves Jesus Christ and desires above all, that the life they are leading - is pleasing unto God. A Christian is one who accepts the atonement of Jesus Christ.
All Christians believe in Christ. All Christians desire to live His teachings. All Christians desire to be one. All true Christians - should exercise love, patience and tolerance for others - whom they perceive as different.
Any one of us, who desire to be known as a Christian - should first and foremost work at keeping the first and second great commandments. In these commandments, there are no divisions with those who would call themselves... the children of God.
tDMg
LDSNana-AskMormon
I hope that both members and non-members who desire to understand this issue better, will take the time to learn more about the restoration - so that we might find better understanding through informed disscussion, wherewith we might truly call ourselves - the family of God.
Learn more about the relationship that Mormons have with Jesus Christ
- Jesus Christ -Son Of God!
Here you go... the official declaration to the world, in website form - of What Mormons believe about Jesus Christ and this is from - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints... themselves:-)
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Well, maybe I read through this too fast, but I am a little confused as to exactly what you're trying to say. I will come back another time and re read it.
Jim and Calvinist -
http://hubpages.com/profile/LdsNana-AskMormon
Here on HubPages - I will write on relevant subjects pertaining to Mormonism - and do so, as simply a "member" of the LDS Church. I am not here to contend with anyone about the Mormons or Mormonism, its doctrines, practices or beliefs. My intent is to help others wanting to know and understand more about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
SirDent -
Thank you for your comment. I have reworked this article a bit and hope that better clarification of my intended message with come through.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Glad to see you didn't compare the two. As a (non practising) mormon I think trying to separate mormons from christians is just asking for either an argument or justification. Neither of which serve the purpose of the other.
Sansseret,
Thank you for your comment. As I stated, I attempted to... but alas - it simply cannot be done. All those who confess Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and Redeemer, and are true to the light and knowledge that they have... can be considered truly Christian.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
I have to say anyone who thinks mormonism and Christianity is one in the same, they are sadly decieved. For one, and its a big one, the Jesus that Christians serve is God and those mormons serve is not God. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, according to the Christians are all one God (trinity), but not according to mormons. Christians believe the Bible is the only Word of God, where mormons have four books that make up their holy scripture. There are so many more differences then just these, so please no one ever make the mistake that mormons and Christians are the same they are very different!
Hello Apologist -
Thank you for commenting... we just happen to disagree on what constitutes a "Christian".
Yes, Mormonism teaches a completely different concept of the Godhead. Current teachings and understanding of the Godhead, stem from a time when there was great confusion with religion, therefore a single interpretation was determine upon by a group of men...
Elder Jeffrey Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the LDS Church, addressed just this topic in our recent General Conference. I would invite you to read my brief intro in another hub of mine and then go onto LDS.org for the full transcipt of the talk.
Hopefully this well help with a more wide perspective on our LDS canon. Also I have included another link to my Hub on "What do Mormons Believe About Jesus Christ".
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
<a href="http://hubpages.com/_1rjozysfclfob/hub/WhatDoMormo >What Do Mormons Believe... As Revealed Through Living Prophets Today?</a>
Thanks for such wonderful HubPages and for spreading the truth about the LDS faith. Keep it up!
dr.schilaty -
Thank you for your kind words of support.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Your statement you believe that Mormons are christians is personel not biblical. The bible which declares itself to be the word of God clearly says in Romans 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead shall be saved. First of all it says you must believe that He is Lord, and the bible declares hear o Israel the Lord our God is one Lord. Mormons do not believe that therefore the bible says they cannot be a Christian unless they or anyone else does. Mormons also teach that God was once a man which is contrary to the bible and they also teach that they will one day become Gods. That is the reason that the devil was kicked out of heaven and who would have thought that anyone would believe such a lie really is beyond belief. There are so many things the mormons teach that are different from the bible that it is very clear that they are Christians if they believe different than what Jesus taught, after all to be a Christian is to be Christ-like. Look to the bible for truth, God is after all the God of truth and if your teaching do not agree with His word, then your words are not truth. John 17:17 sanctify them through thy truth thy word is truth. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ according to His word.
Strawman670 -
IMHO, how you and I interpret Mormonism is much different. I am a Mormon - and I consider myself a Christian in every-way that I understand what is Christian. I love the Bible very much and consider myself to be a very good student of the word. I see no conflict with my beliefs, in the Bible.
But as you have suggested... these thoughts, are only my personal opinion. I appreciate your taking the time to share yours...
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
I remember reading a comment written by Joseph Smith that said something to the effect of, "If you were able to look into heaven for five minutes you would have miore knowledge on the subject than anything that was ever written."
James -
Thank you. Yes, this was Joseph Smith's testimony of the literal reality of God...
Joseph Smith said that if you could gaze into heaven for 5 minutes, you could learn more about the subject than by reading everything that has ever been written about it. (History of the Church, 6: 50.) John the Baptist had just such an experience. DC 93 gives us a hint as to what he was privileged to see:
‘I, John, bear record, and lo, the heavens were opened, and the Holy Ghost descended upon him in the form of a dove, and sat upon him, and there came a voice out of heaven saying: This is my beloved Son.
And I, John, bear record that he received a fulness of the glory of the Father;
And he received all power, both in heaven and on earth, and the glory of the Father was with him, for he dwelt in him.
And it shall come to pass, that if you are faithful you shall receive the fulness of the record of John.’ (DC 93:15-18)
Thank you for taking the time to comment. Knowing that there are Living Prophets upon the earth today, and others -- that have most likely had similar visions, is a wonderful thing to contemplate....
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
I also just read something in the 121st section of the docterine and Covenants That I never read before, it said that a time would come when nothing shall be withheld, wether there is one god or many in existance.
It is my opinion that this can refer to two things; First that there is potential for us to become like God, Which is evident in the Bible, Ie. Joint Heirs with Christ, To sit with God on his throne.
The second is the conveiance that there are pieces of the puzzle that are still missing, and it seems that they wern't ment to be brought out untill the appointed time when man is ready to recieve them.
Waddyathink?
James -
IMHO, it appears that "man" is ready to receive that which God would have us know through Living prophets and personal revelation. Most Christians accept that we are in the last days... therefore, it is good to know that God is keeping His promises.
I "think" that you are on the right track:-) Thank you for returning and sharing your thoughts once again.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
I respect and admire your passion for your faith but have to strongly disagree with several of your statements. After having done thorough research in both the christian faith and mormonism there are very distinct and non negotiable differences. I know your position is that your definition of being a christian is simply different than mine. This, however, is like calling an apple an orange and saying we have different concepts of what oranges are. The christian faith was established in the year A.D. 33 but mormonism as a religion did not take place until April 6th, 1830. Before that time there were no mormons but there were christians. So logically since they do not share the core fundamental beliefs of the prior christian faith that was established 1800 years prior, it must be considered a new and entirely seperate religion. Christianity was founded on several core beliefs in which mormon doctrine completely contradicts and i would gladly point them out with verses if you wish. True, mormonism does base some of it's principles on christianity but thats like saying we live in Mexico because we have adopted some of its cultural practices. I hope you do not view this as a personal attack in any way because i do admire your passion. I just strongly believe some of your statements are wrong and i felt the need to voice my opinion.
Lifewithpurpose -
I appreciate you taking the time, to share your perspective about Mormonism, however - as I have stated in this very post...
"I feel, that unless I were able to first teach about the foundational perspective and beliefs of the Latter-Day-Saints -- a foundational perspective which begins with the idea that there has been a complete restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ as it was had upon the earth in the Days of Christ -- unless we can begin at this point -- then to me this whole 'comparison' thing sheds little light on understanding our differences."
I must apply this, to your comment. You also said that you have studied Mormonism. If so, then you would also understand the "why", of you and I debating the question "Are Mormons Christian", as pointless.
I think a better way to research the very possibility that Mormons are indeed, Christian - is to research our claim of an Apostasy - therefore a need for a complete restoration of the Church that Jesus Christ Himself, organized when He was upon the earth in the meridian of time.
Mormonism claims a great Apostasy did occur, as was prophesied in The Holy Bible; therefore a "great refreshing" has occurred in these last days. Thus, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. We stand firmly on this point. The Book of Mormon is evidence that God has restored His Church once again, with Living Prophets and full authority to gather in His people, today.
Thank you for commenting. But, as you see - I stand firm on this position, and invite you to take the path of which I have suggested, instead of using mis-information/understanding, to debate the position of Mormonism.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Thank you for your quick response! I would like to adress two of your points. First, I do not feel that debating whether mormons are christians is pointless. If that was the case there would not be so many people curious about this topic. Just because you believe there is no need for it does not disregard the fact that to many people this is something worthy of discussion. Second, I understand the mormon belief of apostasy. There is no doubt that this is true. In how this is viewed is where we differ. In 2 Thessalonians 2:3 it is said "Let no man decieve you by any means: for that day shall not come, unless there come an apostasy first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition." This im sure is the verse you are referring to about the biblical apostasy. Now the original word used for apostasy before its english translation was "apostasia" which means "falling away". So from a biblical perspective to claim apostasy from the original church is viewed as a bad thing not a good thing. So when mormons call themselves christians it is very confusing because even you admit that its a completely new form of the old religion. Since the old religion which mormons have departed from is still around and strong in numbers, the followers of this new change should also depart from identifying themselves with a church they no longer in essence practice but still exists. Hopefully I am making my point as non biased as possible, i mean it with no offense. After years upon years of studying both religions i just feel that there are a few misunderstood facts on both christians and mormons side of the fence regarding this issue.
Lifewithpurpose -
I take no offense with your position, nor your desire to discuss the Christianity of Mormonism. However, from my point of view, as one who has no doubt or confusion as to my personal Christianity, this discussion is just not relevant.
The word apostasy, also means to abandon or turn away. Mormonism teaches that over a period of time, the teachings of ancient Christianity, and those who held the authority to direct the Kingdom of God here upon the earth - were rejected by those professing to be Christian.
If the ancient Church had remained intact, then the issue of authority and correct doctrines, would never have become an issue, that required mere men to determine. And yet, that is exactly what happened; and continues today.
Because of the much confusion and distortion as to both of these things, we are left with what is known of ancient Christianity, in today's interpretation of such.
Mormonism teaches that authority from God Himself, is required to act in His name and preach His Gospel, etc... We believe that this very authority, also referred to as the priesthood of God, has been restored to the earth. We firmly testify of Living Prophets upon the earth, who hold the keys of the kingdom - to administer saving ordinances to mankind.
I firmly believe these truths. As I stated before, it would require more discussion about the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in these latter days - to accept this doctrine for yourself. You have already stated that you have done extensive research upon these things. What more could I possibly say to you, that would convince you any different, than what you have personally concluded about Mormons?
I can only invite you to read the Book of Mormon, and find out for yourself if it is a true record. Mormons do not convince people of the truths that we believe. It is the truth of the Book of Mormon, as a divine record brought forth through a living prophet today, by which we offer you to find out for yourself. We do not debate our Christianity, to prove that the Mormon Church is true. We have much better tools for that:-)
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
I felt the urge to comment on this topic after reading many of the posts that seem to harness so much confusion.
First, LdsNana I wanted to thank you for taking the time to write what you have written and for your Christlike or perhaps should be called Christian way of replying to everyone that comments.
Having said that I wanted to share a couple of thoughts. As a person that has studied numerous religions, attended services of dozens and dozens of religions and even dedicated two years of my life, to teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to others, I have a few observations on this topic.
Second, 'Mormon' is just a nickname, that other's have place on those of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or LDS for short. I'm sure you must have a hub already on what the proper name is and why those of the LDS Faith are sometimes mistakenly said to believe in Mormonism. Those of the LDS Faith believe in the teachings of Jesus Chirst. Which Jesus Christ lived at only one time...
So, as you have pointed out several times in this hub, the question of whether someone of the LDS Faith, is a Christian or not, is just silly to anyone who truly understands the religion. By very definition, a Christian is someone who professes to believe in the teachings and life of Jesus Christ, our saviour.
The logic presented a couple of times, by those who might not really understand the LDS Faith, was stated in a way says that anyone that believes in a religion other than one that claims to be the original church Christ himself established on this earth, is not Christian. It's like saying anyone of a protestant faith is not Christian. I believe a great number of people would disagree on that point.
Again,there is nothing to compare, when one asks what the difference is between those of the LDS Faith (nicknamed Mormon) and a Christian. Because a Christian comes in many forms, not based on any religion.
The United States is a Christian nation founded upon Christian values. The very laws are based in a Christian world. One which believes in duty, honor, love, sacrifice, mercy and forgiveness. None of which have anything to do with a particular religion. Christianity is a way of life, it is a belief in something greater than oneself. It is a belief in God... or Jesus Christ our Savior.
I just wanted to share those thought and thank you for your passion and dedication to sharing what you and many others of the LDS Faith truly believe. Like you, I am very proud to say I am a Christian.
Justin
Justin -
I really appreciate the time you have taken, to make the point very clear, that Mormonisms is indeed Christianity. As you stated, the nickname of "Mormon" for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints, is simply that -- a nickname. I appreciate that Gordon B. Hinckley also taught, that the word Mormon, means -- "more good". So really, it is pretty good nickname for someone who is a follower (Christian) of Jesus Christ to bear.
You have made many excellent points:-)
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
I found this blog by accident as I was researching images for the Atonement. This was a good read from many perspectives, and I appreciate the open, and nonoffensive nature of all comments. I agree that no one will convince anyone of anything in conversation, because people do not convince others of the truth of the Gospel, the Holy Spirit bears witness. Anyone that tries to bring others to a knowledge of the truthfulness of the Gospel will only be frustrated in their efforts; and even if the other person agreed with their opinion, there would be a falling away unless they started to build a testimony with a seed of faith and nurtured it so that it would grow.
We could debate and discuss to the end of time and not change anyone's mind. The children of God only come to a knowledge of the truth through humbly allowing the Holy spirit to enter into their heart and mind; then living in such a way that it will continue to reside in them.
This is where many Christians part ways as well. It is by grace that we are saved, after all that we can do to bring about the will of the Father. Thank you again for a very nice, respectful forum. I will keep this in my list of favorites.
QueenBea7 -
Thank you for your comments. I too, am glad you found me! BTW, I appreciate that you have focused on the fact, that we are required to keep the commandments of God - for this, is His will.
it is when we choose to do His will, that we "then" qualify for ALL of the many blessings that He has prepared for the faithful. Each one of us are saved according to the use of our agency to do His will. This is the pattern and example of Jesus Christ - who beckons all of us to "Come Follow Me". Meaning, to do what I do. The atonement is provided that our meager offering WILL be acceptable to God - because of the Savior's perfect sacrifice on our behalf.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Yes you can compare all Religions to one thing only. Did Mohammed die for humanity did Buddha die for humanity, did Shiva, or Krishna or any other take the place of sacrife for all man find, NO So why do peole want follow Jesus like they follow Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna , Shiva etc.
Jesus Christ is God and there are no other. So its simple " I was judge by God as guilty to sin and Jesus took my place and redeemed me for ever, and he will not and cannot change this, that is why Its not I that liveth but Christ in me, he was even kind enough more like gracefull enough to seal me with his blood for eternity.
If you cant say this then check what you believe in.
Easy as pie
Hmmmm, this subject will always be a hot debate. Mormons do believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of mankind. They believe in the atonement. They believe they are Christians. The propagation of huge amounts of anti-Mormon literature makes Mormonism to appear to be a cult, rather than a religion.
To me, when someone tells me they are of a certain religion, I don't question as to whether they are trying to lie to me in some way. I accept whatever religion they may be. Therefore, I find it very odd that when a Mormon professes to be a Christian, that other "brands" of Christians often take exception to their claim.
This is very odd indeed. Basically, it would seem to me that such other brands of Christians claim that no truth can come from a Mormon and they are therefore, liars from the start to claim they are Christian.
With all due respect, what is that about? Are we not all brothers and sisters in the gospel of Christ? Should there not be more mutual respect for each other than this?
I find that constantly emphasizing negative differences is not about acceptance in the fold, but reason to cast them out. It distresses me. I thought I would be among friends, but am no longer sure.
Daniel -
Thank you for taking the time to comment. I too, believe that all those who sincerely profess Jesus Christ as their Savior and Redeemer - are one in Christ. (or should be:-)
tMDg
I cant explain to you why or how I stumbled to this page but after hours of searching the LORDS name, here we are! I was taught to be open minded and understanding,not be sought out as ignorant or calice. I was raised with the only truth that I know which is that JESUS CHRIST is LORD! AMEN! I dont classify myself... non- denominational. The only thing that I believe in is truth! JESUS only spoke truth! When I read the BIBLE I now read only when Christ spoke. I have lost all that is dear to me on this Earth and await the day that CHRIST embraces me and reunites me with my family once again. I'm twenty five years old and felt that I need to share my feelings with others even though I will probably not see your responces as they do not really pertain to this forum! I felt Gods will to be counted as one of his prided children and a brother to all. I ask one question, why stop with mormons vs christianity? Lets get all religons involved with a similarity chart and diagnose them all. OH, wait people have been killing each other over exactly this for thousands of years.Religon. Does anyone ever wonder why such diversity? One Love. Is there such a thing.It truly breaks my heart to believe that people-family-friends-etc. can be subjected to a fiery torment forever and others are blessed with eternal happiness but this is truth. We will all find out one day this is definite. I feel confident that I will be reunited with all that I LOVE again! Till then Ihope you all find your way HOME THROUGH TRUTH AND LOVE, FAITH.MAINLY FAITH! NO MATTER HOW YOU WRITE IT JESUS CHRIST SOLEY SAVED US ALL. PRAY BELIEVE AND YOU SHALL RECIEVE! IN LOVING MEMORY OF A WONDER CHRISTIAN MOTHER THAT LOVED LIFE AND CAN PROUDLY TELL GOD SHE TAUGHT HER SON HOW TO HAVE A GLORIOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST OUR PERSONAL SAVIOR! LISA HILLER. MOM I LOVE YOU!!!
Brandon -
Thank you for sharing your very passionate testimony, of Jesus Christ - as Lord and Savior of us ALL. I too, believe that each one of our destiny is to be ONE in Christ, and to have that love throughout eternity:-)
tDMg
Hi, I'm a born-again believer, baptised in the Holy Ghost, and I'm truly here in love. If I may, I would like to give some information regarding the "falling away" (apostacy) of the Last Days as prophesied in the Bible (not any other book). But, before I do so, I have written a hub that anyone can review called "Signs of Christian Cults". If the shoe doesn't fit, okay. However, to know a TRUE prophet is that he knows the Father's answer to the question, "Who do you say that I AM?"
Anyhow, let me get on to the meaning of apostasy:
The Greek for "falling away" is apostasia. Apostasia is made up of two words, apo and stasia.
In Greek, apo can be represented as a line drawn starting from the
circumference of a circle and going away in an outward direction. Stasia
literally means a "standing away" or "to draw out" or "to separate".
The Geneva Bible, the Cranmer Bible, first published in 1537, the
Tyndale Bible published in 1539, preceding the King James Version, all
translate this verse, "before the Day of the Lord comes, there must
come a departure first."
"The departure" is referring to the gathering together of the bride of Christ. Paul had elaborated on this in length in his first epistle to the
Thessalonians when he described how Jesus would come briefly and all
Christian believers would be caught up or gathered to meet Him in the
air. Paul reiterates and reminds them that this time of Wrath cannot begin until first there is "the departure." And only after that will the man of sin, the Antichrist, be revealed.
This coincides with Matthew 24:20-21 to “pray that your flight not be in the winter...for then there will be a great tribulation….”
God bless all who read and believe ~ amen.
Carrie -
Thank you for taking the time, to share your beliefs in what the "apostacy" meant, from your perspective.
Evidence and prophecy of an eventual and complete falling away from the original Christian Church, are found not only in the New Testament, but also in the Old Testament; and not just in one verse of scripture.
Mormonism also teaches of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, where His people will be lifted up to meet Him. However, we teach each of these events separately; but in preparation for the other.
You may read another of my Hubs, that addresses LDS beliefs and teachings on this subject - giving more scriptural evidence of these things from the Mormon belief -- and Biblical evidence of such...
http://hubpages.com/hub/Mormons-follow-Jesus-Chris
Also, a complete reading of The Holy Bible gives more than strong evidence of the need for a complete restoration of the original Christian Church, in the last days and in preparation for the return of Christ.
tDMg
I only have ONE QUESTION for you. Is Jesus Christ GOD according to Mormonism? That's the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION that is a matter of eternal life or death.
Carrie - Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ, is a member of the Godhead. And, we believe that the "Godhead" are ONE -- so my answer to you, would be YES. We believe that Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God, the Father.
However, it is evident from how you stated your question, that you believe that you are aware of the LDS concept/doctrine of the Godhead. Perhaps I will take the time to write a Hub about that subject, in the future. It is much too lengthy an explanation to go into here, in the comments section.
tDMg
P.S. This is an excellent sermon that was given about the Godhead, as taught in Mormonism, by a modern day Apostle. I hope that you find it helpful.
That's news to me, as I thought Mormonism believed Jesus was the second Adam, but not God. I believe in the Godhead, that it is the Father, the Holy Spirit, who manifested Himself in the flesh of Jesus Christ, who raised Himself on the third day and now dwells in His children as the Holy Spirit. I have a hub on this as well. It's good to know.
Hi Carrie -
Yes, I am aware that Mormonism teaches a different understanding of the Godhead, than other Christian denominations. Thank you for asking.
tDMg
Sorry my earlier comment is all scattered. Normally, I can format comments in the edit comment option, but I understand when comments must be moderated. I did check out your link and he is stating they are three separate persons, which I don't feel is true. God said we are to have no other gods before Him, and He is ONE. I truly believe God is Spirit, as the Word says, and that Jesus is the Word of God in the flesh, and that the Holy Spirit conceived Him, indwelt Him and raised Him. I believe that same Holy Spirit is what indwells us today, as believers. When we "see" God in heaven, we will see Him as Jesus Christ, for He is the only visible form of God.
Someone else, I don't know if they were LDS, thinks that Jesus is still in flesh and bone in heaven. Is that something LDS teaches?
Hi Carrie -
Mormons believe in a literal resurrection... meaning that both the spirit and the body of a person are reunited, and will then exists for eternity in a perfected state.
tDMg
Yes, we are literally resurrected on the day the Lord has stated in Revelation. Our souls are with Him constantly, now and even when our body dies. Our body will be resurrected again (and since the flesh has decayed, we will have new bodies that will live eternally), united with our soul. The Word says that even while Jesus' body was in the tomb, He went and preached to the captives (descended). His spirit was reuinted with His physical body that did not see decay. Though, He appeared in other forms (or they simply were kept from recognizing Him), He had an eternal body upon His ascention into heaven. The Bible talks about how we will be changed into incorruptible in the twinkling of an eye, for no flesh and blood (corruptible) can enter the kingdom of God. amen :-)
Carrie -
Mormons teach "essentially" the same doctrine.
tDMg
Wow, this is really deep. I was married to an "LDS raised" man for 12 years, although he didn't practtice his faith and was estranged from the church. I renewed my faith in Christ early in our marriage, but he never went to church with me. I was a member of the Southern Baptist denomination at the time, now an Assembly of God member. I studied some of the LDS material so I could better understand what he believed because he just couldn't understand the concept of "being saved", walking to the altar to repent and confess your sins before the Lord, or forgiveness. Sadly, the marriage ended after 12 years but I don't blame any LDS doctrine. He still had the same basic bible teachings in childhood but couldn't understand grace alone, but I don't think it's because of 'LDS doctrine', it was due in part to a lack of committment and leadership in his life. That being said, I must say that I hold no ill feelings toward any LDS member. As a matter of fact, I consider the church to be a positive role model. I don't practice the LDS faith but I don't feel threatened by it. Like all denominations and religions, there are good and bad people involved. Thanks for sharing your beliefs with us. Remember, if we forget every Bible verse we've ever memorized, there's one thing we WON"T forget: our own personal testimony how we came to receive the Lord Jesus as our Redeemer!!!
Hi, LdsNana-AskMormon
I am really new here to hubpages and just published my first hub. In which I give a "fictional" testimony through the eyes of a 1st Century Pharisee turned follower of Yeshua Jesus to a 21st Century audience. That in and of itself seems to go against the context of what you assert near the beginning of your article/hub. Namely, "...the idea that there has been a complete 'restoration' of the Church of Jesus Christ as it was had upon the earth in the Days of Christ..." Now to be sure history is full of the attempts of man to remove Christianity from the face of the earth. But also replete with the testimony of the acts of God who refuses to let mankind undo what He has done.
To which I was wondering if you could provide me with some source documentation to support your claim. And would it be in keeping with the origional teachings of Joseph Smith or his sucessor Brigham Young, The founders of the Mormon Church. Unless you have substantiated that claim in another post and I'm too new here to have read it yet, A distinct possibility, The burden of your statement is on you to prove that there has indeed been a "falling away" from the historical church "as it was had upon the earth in the Days of Christ"
bdavis -
Thank you for taking the time to comment. Here is an excellent link in response to your questions, regarding a falling away, and a restoration of the original Christian Church. I hope this helps to answer at least a few of your questions, which would be impossible for me to do, in the form of a reply to your comment.
tDMg
Hi again,
I like the quote from C.S. Lewis at the start of Barry Robert Bickmore's Article, Taken from "Mere Christianity" A work I highly recommend to any interested reader.
Unfortunately He does not answer my question. Rather he makes an unproved assertion that he does not verify. Adds to the origonal account of Joseph Smith's visitation and hides the identity of the "Angel" who he is visited by.
Namely, The "Angel Moroni".
My concern is that this is not the place for a discussion of this kind. I think it would be better to devote one of my next hubs to the examining of this article doctrine by doctrine, Lord willing. I close with this quote from Galations 1.8
"But though we, or an 'Angel from heaven', preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. This is the Apostle Paul's most severe warning because he includes himself in it. It is then something to not take lightly. Amen?
bdavis -
We should ALL find it quite interesting that Paul, in Galatians, teaches the reality of angel visitations and is made very clear. The issue of concern, is to whether or not an angel, would preach an opposing doctrine to that which Jesus Christ Himself, taught - to us. Mormonism teaches that it is the "original" re-established Christian Church, here upon the earth, today.
LDS believe in ministering angels, today. Can you tell me any other Church upon the face of the earth, that would support the reality of Paul's teaching, today?
tDMg
Very interesting hub, I haven't seen many trying to make a comparison between these two religions. Thanks for sharing with us all! God bless!
Hello, I'm new here and I signed up to hub because of your post. I don't see how a Mormon can call himself/herself a Christian if a Christian cannot call themselves Mormon. Plus, how can you know personally weather or not the Mormon gospel is original? I believe that an angel of light is of the devil.
handmaiden -
Many people today, who profess themselves to be a "Christian" can be found in many various denominations, such as Mormon, Baptist, Catholic, etc... As well, as Christians may join any of these sects, and others where they may practice their Christianity. In order to join any of these Churches, one would need to go through the proper steps outlined, to acquire membership with that congregation.
So, YOU as a Christian are indeed welcome to join any Church that teaches Christianity. No, you can't call yourself a "Mormon", unless you join the Mormon Church -- anymore than you can call yourself a Catholic, unless you join the Catholic Church.
If you would like to learn more about how you can know if Mormonism is true, you can visit http://mormons.org where they can give you more personal attention on your journey.
tDMg
After reading though the comments, I find that your "Teach the doctrines and our origins for understanding' has been inspired. I find it interesting that we as LDS members don't believe all aspects of other religions, and yet we don't say others are not Christians. Hmmm. Does it matter that others believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are one and we believe they are three; saved by grace or saved by grace after all we can do (works)? In the mist of all of this..don't we all believe that Jesus died for our sins, we try to love and help our neighbors, and live the commandments of God. If my religion is wrong, I figure the Lord will straighten it all out in the end. Did my religion make me a better person, yes. And I have an indescribable feeling of hope, peace, and joy in my life that comes from living the gospel. It has taken me years to acquire a testimony of the many aspects of the gospel of Jesus Christ. I believed it to be true, I hoped it to be true. But a testimony is gained by seeking and prayer. The Book of Mormon contains a challenge within. And it is 'to ask your Father in Heaven if it is true'. Many of you have commented that you have put forth a lot of study and found the LDS church is different-therefore not Christian. Did you study the Book of Mormon in all of that studying? Praying for truth and knowledge every time before you started reading for the day? (Or did you just read about it from someone else who wrote a book about the Mormons--and by the way, that person probably never read the book either.) Then a testimony will come from the Lord if it is true and you will have understanding and light. No comment on the internet is going to convey that to you! I realise that most of you are not here on the hub to 'change' religions so let me just tell you that the Book of Mormon is another testiment of Jesus Christ.
John 10: 16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
We believe the Book of Mormon to be the teachings to that other flock of sheep. If it is true, then Joseph Smith seeing God and his son Jesus Christ is true, then receiving restored priesthood power is true, then the building of the restored church is true----so that's why it needs to start with reading and praying about the Book of Mormon. And if you don't believe-I'll still call you a Christian :)
Mormons are Christians. Catholics are Christians. Baptists are Christians. You are or are not a Believer in Yeshua (Jesus). The Book of Mormon appears to be historical, as is the Holy Bible. The question is, does the Book of Mormon overlap with the Old Testament of the Bible. Everything Divinely Inspired reflects back to the Old Testament, the Pentateuch specifically. God doesn't change, His Words don't change but are expressed by individuals in different ways. May God Bless us all with the Truth.
Beautiful comment. Thank you:)
I just have one question, if 2 doctrines are examined and do not say the same thing on a particular point, but rather the opposite, how can it be considered the same thing? I find the conflicting messages in the bible and the book of mormon aren't to be ignored
QandAmaster -
The topic of this hub is that a comparison between Mormonism and Christianity cannot and should not be attempted, because it is not necessary. Instead we are focusing on the root of a belief in Jesus Chris and His saving power for all mankind -- which should unite all of Christianity. Certainly among the many Christian faiths there is and will be differences in theology.
Thats true, but dont mormons consider Joseph Smith to be just as important, if not more important, then Jesus? And you must believe in him as well?
QandAmaster -
No. Mormons do not consider Joseph Smith as important as Jesus Christ -- not even close. Nor do we believe "in" Joseph Smith. We revere Joseph Smith as a prophet of God, and specifically the prophet of what Mormons refer to as, the "restoration" of the gospel. http://mormon.org/restoration/
Therefore Joseph Smith holds a prominent place within the history of Mormonism. Certainly nothing about Joseph Smith has anything to do with a person's salvation -- except for what he taught about Jesus Christ ...
"The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it." History of the Church, 3:30
Ok. One more thing, dont mormons believe that you get into heaven according to your works? And depending on what you do in life is reflected in ur afterlife? Because in the bible it says that is not the case.
No. Here is what Mormons believe, as stated in the Articles of Faith:
"We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel."
http://lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,FF
An example of this would be the commandment/law to be baptized in His name, which is what Mormons refer to as a "saving" ordinance. Although baptism in itself does not save, we believe that baptism is required, by God, for all those who desire to enter into the Kingdom of God. it is an outward symbol/act of our faith in Jesus Christ and a willingness to keep His commandments and follow Him. We believe that faith in Jesus Christ enables His Grace unto salvation.
Ok thank you! Just wanted to know more about mormonism since I have several mormon friends
QandAmaster -
Always a pleasure.
Hi LdsNana, I am coming from a very different angle, I am a Unificationist from across the ocean. First of all, I appreciate your style of writing. Thanks. Second, I would like to tell you one area of differences of 'us' and 'you' (to challenge you a bit *smile*). I am engaged with two local men of your school of thinking (to keep it respectful academically), discussing and listening to their word and they are listing to mine. One thing of difference I want to point out is the chapter of what is know as the Fall of Man. The Fall of Man, according to Unificationist's way of thinking, brought - most importantly - the original sin into the world. [In Unificationism their are four kinds of sins, the original sin (the root of the problem, A&E, the symbolical fruit and the symbolical snake, which was, in fact, the archangel Lucifer turned into Satan), then the hereditary sin (from our forefathers), the collective sin (I am German and feel still the pain and guilt of what happened at WWII)and finally the personal sin.] The original sin seems to be non-existent in your faith. Now, my question is, on my next meeting with my two friends next week, I have to decide what to do, to invite them for a nice breakfast or lunch, for harmony's sake and then just keeping shut of my ways of thinking, or tell them, point plank, what I believe, that the messiah is on the earth. (That would be the pivotal point of our community; and the same is true for the Latter-Day Saints, by saying 'pray about the book of mormon if it is true.' (and if it is, that is the way); this is the same for us to say, 'pray about the claim that the messiah is on earth' (and if so, this is it). Now, what shall I do; should I invite my two friends for breakfast and don't mention anything, or should I be more confrontable by speak up?
I would definitely encourage you to have them over and share your beliefs. I'm sure they would enjoy learning about your beliefs and enjoy having the chance to better explain what Mormons believe. Wish I could be there!
LdsNana-AskMormon Hub Author 4 years ago
Awesome new link to ... above, that the LDS Church has just published -
A new website that that is strictly dedicated and focuses on JESUS CHRIST. Enjoy.
tDMg
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