Mormons Are Christians - No Doubt About It
77Mormon and Christian are Synonymous
Mormons are Christian of The Re-Established Kind
As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I most emphatically declare myself, to be Christian. As much as I would prefer not to be so bold on this subject, I must say, that to Mormons, a suggestion that is contrary to our Christianity, is absolutely ludicrous.
To a Mormon, and in particular, this Mormon, who believes with all her heart and soul, that it is only through Jesus Christ, and His atoning sacrifice on our behalf, that we can be saved -- this assertion is more than absurd to an LDS member, such as myself. To suggest that Mormons, who do everything in the Church and as well as in their personal lives, in the very name of Jesus Christ, are somewhat floored by this judgment that has come upon us -- from none other than those who go about to call themselves Christian as well.
Clearly, the name that the LDS Church bears officially is -- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Could our Christianity be any bolder? The very name of the LDS Church literally bears witness to the world, that Jesus Christ stands at the head of His Church.
We also declare, that no man, took this name upon himself in ordering the name of the Church. We as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, testify to the world, that the Church of Jesus Christ, as established by Him, has been restored to the earth in these the last days.
I understand that there are those who feel that the Mormon faith does not practice Christianity in the same way, that those who generally consider themselves Christians do. In that manner, I can easily understand how they would find us different. But, to assert that we are not even Christians, is to act out in such a way, that any true disciple of Jesus Christ would find alarming. I am alarmed, to say the least.
Mormons Follow the Teachings of Jesus - As Do All Christians
What has Jesus Christ Taught Us - About How to Be Christian?
Jesus Christ boldly taught that -- If ye are not ONE, ye are not mine. It is my understanding, that all those who profess Christianity, believe in a Millennial reign of Jesus Christ, at the time of His Second Coming. Those who will have place with Him, during this period, will be of one heart and one mind. I must say, that I am perplexed, as to how those who go about insisting on divisiveness, with others of God's children, can be at peace thinking that when He comes again, they would be rewarded by a claim of such discipleship.
Does any loving parent, if they believe a child has gone astray, then say that they are now not a part of their family any longer? I recently was watching one of the more popular new shows on television. You all are quite aware that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been receiving a lot of media attention. I can't imagine anyone not knowing why, but this is because Mitt Romney, who is a Mormon, is making a run for the office of the Presidency of the United States.
- Has Mixing Religion and Politics in the Public, Ever Been Good for a Candidate?
Because of Mitt Romney's religion, that, of being Mormon -- the media has done an artful job of magnifying the issue of divisiveness amongst those who are Christians, into the public political arena. And of course, taken the attack of evangelical Christians, on that of Mormon Christians, if you will, and blown it completely out of proportion. It is now much more public and inflamed than it was, even prior the beginning of this presidential election. It appears that they have taken the opportunity to capitalized on this issue, for entertainment purposes. Albeit, that Mitt Romney has received a lot of media attention because of it. We all have. But it is unfortunately being targeted at large, on the belief that the LDS Church being wrong, now having a less than positive impact on Mitt Romney's candidacy. This is a man, who if he could turn away from his faith, would be rewarded greatly I am sure. The baggage of the false attacks on the Church have been nothing less than a detriment to his campaign.
Most political candidates will do most anything that is required to become elected to their office. Mitt Romney has held fast to that which he believes, regardless of the damage that it is causing. He has unfairly had to defend the doctrines of the LDS Church, when this is not appropriate for a candidate to have to do so. Yet, Mitt Romney, still has the confidence in the American people to see through such attacks and look at him fairly in the end. I admire that. Many in his profession, may very well have turned away from a thing that may lose them, their hearts desire to obtain.
Jesus Christ - The Only Perfect Individual That Ever Lived!
The On-Going Spin - Distortions and Misrepresentations of the Media About Mormonism.
What I witnessed when watching this news magazine program that I was speaking of, was a fairly large group of Christians, who had taken to the road together. Their passionate cause, was to go about and save the Mormons from going to hell. During a particular interview that was aired, the media was asking some of these folks, who were standing outside of a familiar LDS building -- the question why?
These responses continue to be very disturbing to me, as I have heard them many times before. They responded, that it was their love for the Mormon people, as their reason for acting out in such a manner. There was also a comment, eluding to the fact that the Mormons are good people, but... I'm sorry, I just don't buy this whatsoever. Why don't we feel the love then? Perhaps this is supposed to be "tough love"?
During this interview, there were members of the LDS faith, who were leaving their meeting, and walking past this group that had assembled; as they had no alternative but to face this gauntlet of so called "Christians". These self-proclaimed, well meaning people, were literally getting in their faces, and with insistence, now attempting to let them know how misguided these LDS people were. In return, the members of the LDS Church, quickly maneuvered themselves around, and away from this onslaught, and simply kept walking. They did this not to be rude, but to avoid this contentious barrage that they found themselves in. This is what the media portrayed to the public.
I personally experienced this on a much smaller scale. This past summer, as I was visiting Temple Square, in Salt Lake City, I also, had to avoid those that were standing in select areas, just right off the private grounds. They were handing out fliers and attempting to stop members of the LDS Church. They had hopes that they might discourage... I don't know what really. Most people, just as I described before, did the best they could, to not be caught in their web.
I cannot see a missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- using such a tactic.
What DO Mormons Believe About Jesus Christ?
Jesus Christ Authorizes Man to Act in His Name.
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Resource for the basics of Mormonism - What Do Mormons Think About Other Religions?
Even the ones that do not consider Mormons Christian.
Sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ as His Disciples.
Christians believe in sharing the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are to actively teach, by sharing their testimonies, with those who would like to know more about the Church. To my knowledge, which on this I believe to be most credible -- I am not aware of any of our missionaries, who serve throughout the world, or LDS members, using this approach as representatives of Jesus Christ. I am confident, that this approach would never be encouraged by the Church for its members. If it were to happen on some scale, it would not have been authorized by the LDS Church. Unfortunately, people have their own will, to do as they like, but this is not part of the program for sharing the gospel that is taught in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I feel certain, that if I personally attempted to get in the face of another individual, in like manner... I most likely would be shutting off any opportunity, of their ever wanting to hear a thing that I had to say about Jesus Christ. As my experiences are so extremely different, while sharing my beliefs -- I have no concept as to how anyone could possibly believe that a potential convert could feel the Spirit witness of truth, with this type of method. How could I then account to the Savior, that I had followed in His ways?
- What Does it Mean to Be a Christian?
I have asked myself, what does it mean to be a Christian. The Bible testifies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that only through Him can we be saved. Jesus Christ beckons those who accept His words, to then follow Him. To be a Christian, to me... is to receive His words, exercise faith in Him unto these promises, and be willing to keep His commandments to the best of our knowledge and ability to do so. The blessing of our willingness to do these things, then qualifies us, for the Father to then send the Holy Ghost to be with us, to sanctify us; so that we may be cleansed of all sin; and to ultimately guide us back into His Presence.
Unfortunately, there are too many that would have others believe that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do not worship Jesus Christ. These same organized groups, would also have you believe that we do not accept the atonement of Jesus Christ, as 'other' Christians. These doctrines are simply either being purposefully distorted, or the result of a carelessness on their part, in not seeking to know what and how Mormons believe in Jesus Christ.
They would also want you to accept their assertion, that the Mormon faith is a cult, in the worst sense. It is my understanding, that these organized groups, proclaim that The Church of Jesus Christ is not accepted by any other Christians, worldwide.
In the "Articles of Faith", wherein are stated some of the core beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day-Saints -- article number four declares,
"We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost."
The Testimony of a Prophet of God Who is a Christian
What is so Different About the Way Mormons are Christian?
These tenets alone, that Joseph Smith listed, when he was asked what the Mormons believe, verify that Mormons are indeed Christian. Because we believe in a restoration of the same Church which Jesus Christ Himself organized, we also believe that there was an apostasy which then necessitated such. I will write more on the apostasy and our beliefs regarding this, in another article. This background is critical though, if you are to understand or accept the foundation of the LDS Church and its teachings.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, through this restoration, testifies that God speaks to man again and in our day. He does this in the very same way that He did, as recorded in the Bible -- through His living Prophets. We are a Church that believes and testifies of modern revelation. Not only to prophets, but to individual members does God speak to, through the Holy Ghost. In this way, as opposed to what many suppose, because we do accept a living prophet, is so that the members of the LDS Church are not dependent on man for their understanding of, and testimony of Jesus Christ. We believe that these things are taught and witnessed to us, through the gift of the Holy Ghost. We are continually admonished to confirm all things through and by the Holy Ghost. Owning one's own testimony is central to Mormonism. Therein, lies its Power, to confound many, who will not look.
A prophet is a man who has been given, of Jesus Christ, the authority to administer God's Church here upon the earth. His words are considered, as coming directly from the Lord Himself, through His living prophet, unto His children. The prophet of God, then teaches, declares doctrine; testifies of the living God; speaks on behalf of the Lord in all things as pertaining to the entire church; has been given the Priesthood of God, which is to act in His Name...
The prophet Joseph Smith was asked the question -- what makes the Mormon Church different from any other church? Fair question, right? He answered this question by saying that it was the fact that we have and do believe in living prophets. Which is, that the Holy Ghost is truly manifest in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That we are a people that look to a living prophet, who God speaks through, for the benefit of His people. No other church that I am aware of, holds to the belief in living prophets today. As strange as this may seem at first thought, it is true nonetheless.
One must ask themselves the simple question, as to why God would not speak to His children in our day, as He did in the Bible? We testify that He does. The gift of the Holy Ghost, which members receive by laying on of hands, is very real and different than the spirit, which is given to all men, regardless of religious faith. This is known as the "light of Christ''. It is a light that when followed, will lead a man into the truth of all things.
When that truth is received, and covenants made, then the Father, as taught in the Bible, will send the gift of the Holy Ghost, as representative of the Son Himself. The gift of the Holy Ghost's personal companionship, to an individual, is one of the greatest gifts that God can bestow on those, here upon the earth.
Jesus Christ Died for Us - That We Might Live Again
HE IS RISEN - And All Christians Rejoice Together!
Yes -- Mormons are Most Certainly Christians.
As much as this declaration, by other Christians, is somewhat painful to LDS members of the LDS Church, we are firm in the faith, that we have in Jesus Christ. We know personally, how we worship Him. We know personally, the depth of our need for Him to save us from our sins. We know, that He was the only person to ever live that was perfect. We know, that it is only in His name, that we can be made whole.
And, we know, most importantly, that our love for Him and desire to do His will and walk in His ways -- is an acceptable offering unto God.
He was the babe, born in Bethlehem.
He was the man, who walked the roads of Galilee.
He is our God, who bled from every pore, as He took upon Himself our sins and willingly offered Himself as a sacrifice for our sins, and died on the cross at Calvary.
And it is He, that from the garden tomb, three days after He was crucified unto death... was lifted up again, overcoming physical death and resurrected unto Life Eternal.
He is Risen!
This is Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified should come into the world, and take away the sins of the world... that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.
tDMg
LDSNana-AskMormon
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Who, exactly, argues that Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity?
I have met many Mormons in my life and they were some of the most pleasant people I have ever met. I especially like their practice of going to preach before they go to college.
Very informative hub LdsNana-AskMormon. People, professing Christians in particular, have been haggling over who's Christian and, who's not, since the first century. Jesus told us from the beginning not to concern ourselves with trying to sort everybody out (The teaching on the 'Wheat and Tares'), He said that He would do the sorting himself when He comes back. God bless you, and keep your eyes and heart fixed on Him.
LDSNana
Your testimony is beautiful and powerful. I am happy to call you my sister in the gospel. This is an amazing article, filled with passion and truth. I hope to see more information from you forthcoming.
You go girl, you rock too!
Wow! This is an inspiring testimony of teh beliefs of LDS people. I second your thoughts on the matter. Thank you for bringing enlightenment to my otherwise uneventful Saturday morning. :)
Wow! This is an inspiring testimony of teh beliefs of LDS people. I second your thoughts on the matter. Thank you for bringing enlightenment to my otherwise uneventful Saturday morning. :)
Bartholomew-
Thank you for visiting my Hub.
I quote from the CARM site...
"Mormonism is considered a non-Christian cult by all of Christianity."
they are a frequently searched site for information concerning anti-Mormonism. They do not post the author of an articles name. If you would like more information, please let me know.
Personally, I don't think that this is an accurate statement. I have met other Christians, and have not felt that this was their belief concerning Mormonism. Yet, it is of doctrines that are not always discussed in-depth with others... so perhaps this is true, according to 'how they believe' and the differences in 'how' Mormons believe'.
I don't feel that anyone who is a Christian, could honestly stand by this comment, IF they had not studied 'how' Mormons believe in Jesus Christ.
I hope that you will learn for yourself if this is true, if you are honestly interested in knowing the full answer to your question.
But, I thank YOU, for asking ME first.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Vrajavala -
I too, even as a member of the Lds faith, am amazed that our young people in the church are willing to make such a sacrifice at this particular time in their lives. My oldest son did not serve a mission, but joined the United States Coast Guard. I am very proud of what he is doing. My younger son who is 16 now, plans on going on a mission when he is 19.
I find that these young people, male or female, who take this opportunity to serve the Lord, at such a critical time in their lives... are often much more well grounded, then others of their same age. These young people learn to work, be thankful, serve, manage money, organize their time efficiently, come to know Jesus Christ, and develop a love for many different types of people.
For their sacrifice, they are blessed in multiple ways for the rest of their lives.
Thank you for your kind words.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Whezo-
I fully agree with you. All that He requires of those who love Him, is to teach His Gospel in Truth and Light. In this way, man may choose for himself, that which leads him into the Light.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
ITDH and Hornet -
Thank you for your kind comments and for visitng my Hub.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
How strange. If Mormons worship the Christian God and follows Jesus, I cannot see why the rest of Christiandom would excommunicate them.
Hello BartholomewKlick (wow that's long:-)
Thank you. My understanding of the 'why' evangelical Christendom rejects the Mormons, is based on, what I believe are two particular doctrines, of which they hang their preparatory reasons on.
1. We accept that when Jesus Christ said "Come follow Me", that we are to do just that, and in the way that Jesus Christ commanded us to do, such as baptism, keeping all of His commandments, etc...
a. therefore, as Jesus Christ went specifically to John the Baptist, to receive baptism; for John was the only one who had keys of authority to baptize, by law; we believe that those administering the Gospel of Jesus Christ, must have authority to do so. Jesus Christ, in setting up His Church, when upon the earth, delegated prior to His death, those Keys of authority to Peter and the twelve - they were to administer, legally the ordinances, such as baptism to those desiring to enter into the Kingdom of God.
2. Many evangelical Christians, I should say most, are offended that the Mormons think that they can 'work' themselves to heaven, if we are good enough, or perfect enough. Apparently what this means, is that we reject the atonement of Jesus Christ. And then one other thing... they are oppositional to our believing that the greatest suffering of Jesus Christ, took place in the Garden of Gethsemane versus on the cross. This is our belief, but we also recognize His agony while hanging on the cross.
There is much more to say on this subject. I will do a Hub on this in more detail very soon. But please use the links that I have placed to find credible information on this issue.
The Internet is flooded with false teachings of the Mormons. I am here to teach only truth and give reliable sources for those who are looking for truth. Not to defend at all.
The restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in a sense, trumps much of what Evangelicals teach, in 'how to come unto Christ'. Therefore, they have a list that they oppose, in what we preach.
thanks again,
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Excellent hub. I am a non-believer myself, but I think this is a great way to share your views and explain your beliefs. If people want to read, fine, if they dont, No problem. i will get back to you on the patent leather pink case :)
Wow this is very thorough. Excellent job!
Hi Mark-
Thank you. I take that as a real compliment. I have been meaning to return and comment over at your Hub, on how you got to the top of Google. I wanted to tell you what a good student I am. I simply followed your advice that you posted. And, here you go! Thanks.
Thank you for coming on over, you non-believer. LOL But you are right, I am sharing my beliefs to those who are interested in understanding Mormonism better.
I love the Hub Page format, versus the typical 'blog'. Most of the blogs, I have found, are much to contentious for these types of topics.
It is not my intention to argue, or prove, etc... Honestly, I don't see the point. I really just want to share and inform, on that which is important to me, and that others who may be interested - will receive better understanding of the Mormon Church, after a visit here.
So thank you for your kindness.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
(if you find one for me... i am a click away)
Whitney05 -
Thank YOU, for coming over and leaving your kind words.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
An excellent Hub.
Thank you for taking a stand and professing your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to the world. I hope those who are confused will be able to get clarification on the matter.
LdsNana, I think you know from our comments on our other hubs where I am coming from, so I appreciate your faith. The Apostle Paul says in Romans, "That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."
As far as the rest goes, I think we all need a little more guidance...l
Thanks for your great hubs.
Mystic Biscuit -Thank you for visiting.
It is my pleasure to testify of those things that are in my heart. I am honored that others would take the time, to allow me such a privilege.
A thought came into my mind, after reading your comment... I would 'think', as I think about it (smile) that all Christians would find a unity, simply because of a desire to testify that Jesus IS Christ!
IF Perhaps, the Mormons did not bear the fruits of Christianity in any way, then I might understand the separatism that many evangelical Christians put forth.
But we all, who believe in Jesus Christ, must STAND together, in at 'least' this.
Thank you very much for your comment, which gave me food for more desire to be one with ALL, in at least this ONE thing!
And don't all things, have a place where they must begin at?
1.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Peter -Once again, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. It warms my heart thoroughly to know that all those who truly love Jesus Christ and desire to "Come Unto Him", may have their heart's desire. I am in agreement with your feelings, that the Savior has wrought out an atonement, which has the Power to save us all, even with our differences.
Because He is Truth... for all those who look to Him in spirit, He will gently lead them, to All Truth. I believe this with all my heart.Thank you my friend.tDMgLdsNana-AskMormon
Ldsnana
Your hub has brought me, a member of the mormon church, greater understanding to how our church relates to other christian faiths and more importantly, stands far apart. I appreciate the hard work you have put in to clearly explain what it is we believe.
Thanks pearldrummer89
I am glad that members, as yourself - are able to gain more understanding in this area of great debate. Not for us, but others.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
I wanted to just say to those of you who are kind enough to read this Hub of mine - to also find out the why, of this assertion.... thank you for taking the time.
This Hub, is mine completely. There are not even quotes from anyone else's work here. They are my thoughts and my heart put into a response - to an accusation that is made, by those whom I feel, just do not really understand, or do not care to know and have jumped on a bandwagon in opposition to the LDS Church.
This topics is completely relevant to the ongoing conversation that is happening all over the Internet. I felt a need to respond personally.
Today, because this Hub is in question as to it being original... I wanted to say that I believe that my testimony of Jesus Christ and being a Christian - is clearly evident in this original article of mine - and I truly hope that those who continue to read this Hub, will know that they are not reading just plain cut and paste work of another.
This is my personal testimony of my Christianity and Love for Jesus Christ - and I claim it to be such.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
"Excellent hub. I am a non-believer myself, but I think this is a great way to share your views and explain your beliefs. If people want to read, fine, if they dont, No problem." Mark Knowles " Wow this is very thorough. Excellent job!" Whitney05 Just thought I would quote some really respected HUB opinions to state mine also.... Do you think this will get flagged for "duplicate content"?
IMHO this was where the trouble started for you LDSNANA "Hi Mark-Thank you. I take that as a real compliment. I have been meaning to return and comment over at your Hub, on how you got to the top of Google. I wanted to tell you what a good student I am. I simply followed your advice that you posted. And, here you go! Thanks." LdsNana
Nobody like a little competition.
You know, Interested Party... I agree with you.
I had been puzzled as to WHY the 'affection'... before the fall? Perhaps this Hub was forgotten by them? Nah!
This HuB score had reached a score of 90 before it plummeted to the low 30s and only within hours after flagging and before review.
It had been published for over a full months (no problems) EVEN ON First and second pages of GOOLGLE? And STILL is after being flagged... Hmmm?
Still... it has been days and I am not aware of any official review to justify it being considered duplicate content and remaining penalized.
I am supposed to understand the system here through mind-guessing as to HOW things work.
I will continue to stand by my belief of the 'manual trasmission' of that which is going on. Perhaps others just do not realize that these 'positive' tools REALLY 'can' be used as a way, to injure another Hubber?
Blasphemous ideas... I realize. But each and every word here, again is mine.
This is My long long epistle regarding my religion and Christianity to the world. A question that needs to be brought up, because it has NO validity... when speaking of TRUE religion...
'Christianity' has NO denomination IMHO. A person is striving, or they are not... IF they claim to be ONE.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Hubscore 62 February 14th 2009 2:38 AM PST
It is Friday Night and I am having a PARTY...
I decided, as I have been a bit noisy lately, that I would send out a SHOUT of GLEE!
"Your Hub HOW CAN THEY SAY, MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN? WHO GETS TO DETERMINE MY RELIGION? was cleared of any duplicate content penalty by the administrator"
Thank you HubPages, for taking the extra time (people power) to review my plight.
I have had so far, of the five of my Hubs that have been flagged in two weeks time, for unknown reasons... THREE have been cleared so far!
Here is to 'original content'!
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
And thanks for all who have helped bring this 'little' epistle of mine, back up to original scores... it had actually plummeted down to low 30s.
There are several reasons why evanelicals...Christians in general will not accept you as Christians. There are several doctrinal differences that prevent Christians from accepting the LDS church as Christian. But many churches have called themselves Christian churches that are not. It's a free country. Call yourself what you want but the truth is the true church is the one established by Christ in the New Testament. I say this in love so please don't think I am just another hate mongering, anti-LDS pseudo Christian. Christians take the Bible as the complete, infalliable word of God. The fact that the BOM is held to the same esteem as the Bible is blashemous to the Christian. The Bible clearly warns not to add to or take away from the scriptures. Another warning given to Christians is found in Galatians 1 is that if anyone whether it be man or angel preach ANOTHER GOSPEL other than the one preached by the apostles, then to quote Paul "Let them be eternally condemned." That is a pretty strong warning. Look at the cover of the BOM - Another testament of Jesus Christ. In light of what the Bible says concerning this, shouldn't you at least consider this? So in the spirit of love I say that I pray for LDS members but the reality is that if Christians condon the LDS beliefs it would be the same as putting the stamp of approval on it and as you can see Christians cannot compromise on this. There are too many souls at stake. Where is the love in smiling and playing nice in the name of acceptance while souls perish? Look at prophesies in the Bible. Each builds upon or verifies the others. None of them completely void any of the previous. Joseph Smith attempted to rewrite Christianity, like many others. You have to stop and consider that the entirety of the LDS faith rides on whether or not Joseph Smith was a true prophet. The Bible says in the last days many false prophets will come. Again we look back to the earliest writting, the Bible, to see that the truth is being fulfilled. Again I say it is a free country but to members of the LDS church I asked you the same question Jesus asked when he walked among men, consider the cost. If your right then all is well, if you are wrong you will spend an eternity regretting it. I say this again in love. I am not anti-LDS where the folks are concerned. I have never recieved anything but kindness from LDS members but the doctrine is not Christian and as a Christian I must stand against it.
bretter question is, how you can think you are a christian? when your beliefs aren't even anywhere near following christianity the fact that you thing that God was a man takes away from his authority. you thoughts on Jesus takes away from him being God and you still think you are a christian?
Greg -
Thank you for your comment and your personal thoughts on this Hub. I do understand the perspective from which you make your comments...
I would simply say, that Mormons base their differences, from a foundation in our belief of a complete restoration of Christianity through the prophet Joseph Smith.
Frankly, unless that is understood and not necessarily accepted - the conversation as to whether or not Mormons are Christian, becomes an ugly argument of which I do not engage.
It is never productive on either side. I prefer friendship and understanding with those whom I engage... not even agreement:-)
I like to think of myself as a student, where there is much to be learned from reading and listening to each other.
To defend is not my style of communication. Although, I do love to reason and discuss with others. I am here to only teach what I believe and do not feel a need to defend. There are many other websites that people may banter if they like.
I am here to create positive understanding of Mormonism and our beliefs. It is my hope that when my readers, come to my Hubs, they are being educated and not necessarily converted:-)
Most important... they desire to ask questions - and I in turn, do my best to provide them with credible clarifications when necessary.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon.
Hello someone:-)
I have stated, in my previous post and in other Hubs on Hubpages, that Mormonism will never be understood or accepted - by those who feel as you do, unless they in some way are able to understand the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ , as the foundation for Mormonism.
Meaning, they would also need to understand the LDS teaching of an apostasy which necessitated this restoration.
Until, that is educationally understood as our foundation upon which we build.... then we bash! LOL
I do like the question as to "why" Mormons "think" they are Christians, versus "How" can YOU say we are not...
Perhaps the answer to that question would be much more powerful - as it requires each person, regardless of denomination... to then declare very personally our need for Jesus Christ and how we manifest that need in our lives as true Christians...
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Nana- may I suggest something? I was rereading your hub, and found the random bold phrases hard to read through. It broke concentration. :-\ And the all caps title is online form of yelling...
Whitney05 -
Thank you:-) How kind of you to take the time to teach. I think it looks much better now.
Now that I have been feverishly writing for the last 2-3 months, I can see a big need to go back into all of my Hubs and make many many corrections.
Thank you for the encouragement and suggestion. HubPages is a great place to hang-out!
Well received... always:-)
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
You and I don't get to decide who is, and who isn't, a Christian. God Himself set out the criteria by which one can be reconciled to Him. We either meet or fail to meet that criteria.
The question is "does the LDS church teach these criteria correctly, or incorrectly?". Wouldn't you agree on that?
Hi Tony,
We most certainly would agree.
As a member of the LDS Church, I firmly believe that we are led by living prophets and apostles today, therefore I feel most confident in 'how' they point one to Christ...
Thus, I have chosen to follow that path for myself. In other words, I have claimed my own way as being a Christian; which is submitting to what I believe to be that which is correct.
I also am happy to allow any other the same choice, as to how they come unto Christ and refer to themselves as Christian.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Why do Mormons believe that once you are married, you are married for eternity? The Gospel of Matthew clearly teaches that there will be no marriage in Heaven.
Please advise.
Jackie -
Thank you for your question. I will respond in more detail through publishing a Hub on the topic of "Eternal Marriage".
Referring to the conversation that is recorded where the Savior, in response to whose wife would a particular woman be in the next life - for she had been married to many brothers of the same family, etc...
Simply put, we believe that the actual "ordinance" - of eternal marriage is an earthly ordinance and therefore must be performed while a couple are here upon the earth or vicariously have it performed in Temples.
If the "work" of a legal sealing by one having proper authority; which is to bind or seal on earth that which is bound in heaven - has not be done here upon the earth - that marraige has no efficacy beyond this life.
Hence... "till death do us part".
Thus the critical understanding of why Jesus gave to Peter the Keys of the Kingdom to perform this "work"... as well as other "ordinances" such as baptism, etc...
If no legal authority has been exercised in this life, we have no promises from God. After all, God is law - and therefore we must keep law in order to be justified and receive His great blessings. Law always entails authority and rights.
Even Jesus Christ, who is perfect - answered to the Law in perfect obedience. We on the other hand are not perfect, therefore a Savior was necessary for us to return to the Presence of God the Father.
How thankful I am to know of His laws, as well as understand the meaning of which the Savior intended. If any married couple have not had this eternal ordinance performed during thier lives; or done vicariously for them in Temples of the Lord - there is no marriage in the resurrection - the time for the "work" to be performed is done and the best "reward" then, is to be angels in heaven singly and separately.
One must in depth consider the question a bit closer I believe... the fact that all in this group who approached the Savior understood the principle of eternal marriage in some way...
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Hi,
Thank you for your answer to my question about marriage. I would also like to understand how the different levels of Heaven work. I have been told by my Mormon friend that there are various levels and you are rewarded by how you have lived your life on earth. Is that the same way you are allowed to enter Heaven at all, by how you have lived your life on earth, by doing good works, being an active church member, etc.? I am also curious about the spirit child concept. Could you explain that further?
Thank you.
Hi Jackie -
I guess I have a few Hubs to write here:-) It is also in the Bible that there are three Heavens or degrees of glory, as Mormons refer to these three heavens.
Mormons believe that the spirit did not just suddenly come into existence at the conception and development of the physical body. Like Jesus Christ who is our literal brother - we also believe that our spirits were first created in heaven, therefore we are the literal spirit offspring of God our Heavenly Father.
We believe in what is called "The Plan of Salvation" wherein God the Father proposed a plan whereby His children could come to mortality or a fallen state, and through their own agency learn the good from the evil. This after being tutored in the presence of God before our mortal birth. Here in mortality - a veil of forgetfulness has been placed over our minds and we are to learn to walk by faith - thus proving ourselves faithful according to knowledge received here upon the earth.
Understanding that more people upon the earth throughout its history have never even heard of Jesus Christ - "The Plan of Salvation" is spectacular; as through the temple work of the LDS Church, all records are being sought out so that the necessary ordinances on behalf of all of God's Children can ultimately be performed.
This is where much of my personal testimony is strengthened. Knowing that God has a plan for the redemption of all of His children... regardless of any earthly circumstances that they encountered here upon the earth during life.
A place prepared for each one individually according to their desires, etc... and according to the law they are willing to receive... We believe that while on earth while the work in temples proceeds through to the end of the Millenium; that missionary work to teach all mankind takes place on the other side of the veil.
Yes, Mormons believe very much that how any person lives, according to the knowledge that an individual obtains here in this life - will have much to do with "which" heaven will be obtained. But, we also emphasize that the desires of any persons heart play the greatest roll in that final judgement...
For those who when hearing the words of God, receive that and are true to that light - they are then qualifying themselves through the atonement of Jesus Christ for all that the Father hath...
Knowing that without the Savior no person could ever enter back into the presence of God, Mormons fully accept and acknowledge the need for the redemptive power of Jesus Christ in order to attain the Presence of God after mortality.
We believe that it is only in the highest degree of Glory, will the actual presence of God be enjoyed. All those who qualify for "Exaltation" which is to return to His presence, have an eternal marriage and family; and receive as did the Savior - all that the Father hath... and ultimately through the process of eternity - become "like" the Father too. After all, we are His children and therefore this is our divine heritage and inheritance if we so claim it - our birthright as the children of Israel.
The highest degree of glory is called the Celestial Kingdom and is where God dwells with the Church of the Firstborn.
When Jesus Christ literally broke the bands of death and hell, overcoming this life - it truly meant the ability to offer all of the Children of God the exact same blessings that He obtained through the atonement.
We believe that the family is central to God's plan for our eternal happiness.
tDMg
LdsNana-AsKMormon
Please visit both of these links that I have provided for much more information and detail.
Hey! First of all, I want to say how much I like this forum and how you have addressed these issues in a respectful manner. I know how hard it can be to o that when these issues are so deeply important. As a non-Momon Christian with many Mormon friends, I think it is very important to have open and respectful dialogue about bothe the similarities and differences in what we believe. Also, I want to say that as a Christian I believe that I cannot judge who is truly a Christian and who isn't. God will be the one who sorts all of that out (thank goodness). :) Also, I agree that we should be working together to spread the good news of Jesus Christ.
I wanted to ask you a question, though, about the whole "works" issue. You said earlier in one of the previous posts that one of the major problems other Christians have with the LDS church is that we think Mormons try to be saved by the law instead of by faith. I can say that I agree with you here: that is something that deeply troubles me. I have a lot of close friends who are Mormon and understandably I worry about this issue because I believe it is only by grace that a person can be saved. Honestly, it does trouble me, because I care about my freinds. What are your thoughts on this?
Also, there is the issue about the belief that a person can work their way into becoming a god themselves. Can you explain that to me?
Hi Alikat-
Thank you for such nice remarks and congenial dialogue. I truly respect that and appreciate your willingness to understand Mormonism.
Regardless of what you may have heard, as Mormons, we completely understand that it is only by the Grace of God, through Jesus Christ His Son - that there is any possiblility of our being cleansed and forgiven.
When we say "works" - this is no way infers that we believe that what we do can in any way save us. But, we do believe that obedience to God's laws are an absolute requirement to then qualify us for all that the atonement offers, but certainly in no way do we believe that the actual "doing" physically - in any way can actually have anything to do with our being saved - other than the sheer obedience to God's laws.
In my simple opinion and how I personally view this - is that God has given us the ten commandments and at the very least we should expect that "He" really does expect us to keep these... even today. Will we be perfect? No, but we - if truly serious about receiving all that He has in receiving His Son - should desire to do our absolute best - repenting each day and relying on His Grace to help us be better people and ultimately save us.
I am grateful, that like the Savior Himself, who was perfectly obedient to the Father - that through His atonement, although we will never be perfect - we can still do our best to 'show' our love for God and keep His commandments.
I believe that when we keep His laws, He is able to bless us in ways that we enjoy now and in the next life. I would have a problem if God expected nothing of those who say they love Him, other than the words.
Obedience brings confidence in our relationship with God. Therefore when we pray unto Him - we are able to exercise much greater faith knowing that we have been able to, in a meager way and only because of Jesus Christ - show our love for Him and our desire to be with Him.
Please visit the two links I posted in my previous response. I think that you may be able to gain more understanding of Mormonism by doing so.
I am leaving on a trip and will be away for the most part from my writing for about two weeks. But I will definitely address some of these questions in more detail upon my return.
I thank you so much for asking questions about Mormonism, from a Mormon. I would invite you to join my "fan" or friend club and when I publish you will receive an email update.
Nice to know you and thanks for visiting my Hub.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Also... visit the links page. There are some really great resources which are very credible, where you may learn a lot about Mormonism.
This link is to a great website:-)
This is great. Wow, what an awesome job talking about a difficult subject. I will save this and remember it for if I ever need it when talking to someone.
thanks
Wow nana! Again another poignant hub! Missionary work does take many forms! Good for you! I miss Pres. Hinckley and Elder Maxwell a lot...truth be told a part of me envies them a lot!
Hi LDS Nana!
Thanks for clarifying the Chritianity issue! I was beginning to wonder how I have the faith I have, and exactly what it's all about. ;-)
Actually, I was doing some work when ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS VIDEO CAME ON out of NOWHERE, and I thought it was a spoof (pop up window that is misleading in content).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCP-SMlbGv4
Tell me what you think after you watch it.
What I initially thought was a spoof, turned into living proof!
Love YA!
DedicatedMe -
Thank you, that was a beautiful video... Faith is so important, and yet He has given so many evidences of His Greatness and masterful design for all of His creations.
I loved the video and invite other's to view it if they would like. Sorry it took me a while to get to it, as I am on vacation right now and checking in and out when able.
Today, I am on the beautiful island of St. Thomas... amazing:-)
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
I am glad you wrote this hub to educate everyone about this issue. Mormons are Christians and it silly people do not realize this.
Hi LdsNana-AskMorman,
I can really appreciate where you are coming from in your article. Faith is a tangible thing in our lives and we grow up and live life with our faith affecting every aspect of our lives.
I am aware that there are those who think that by shoving fliers into people's faces that they are going to get someone saved. I am sorry for that as it is not an effective means of evangelizing and is offensive.
I wanted to give you a little feedback as to why Mormons are not considered Christian. But please, this is a dialog and I do not wish to offend you to the point where you get upset. So far from your posts you have not seemed offended by any type of comments and that shows a level of maturity that most do not have.
I would encourage you to do research from the other side of the aisle. I have been convinced I was right about several things until I searched further. I want to be like the people of Berea mentioned in Acts. They "searched' what Paul said to see whether what he said was true or not. This is PAUL, the guy who wrote 2/3 of the New Testament. They did not just take his word for something, nor did they rely on some good feelings they may have had inside their bosom about his words. They Tested Him. They researched what he said. Then they accepted what he said. This is where many in the LDS Church fail to exercise wisdom. Regardless of what you are told, you have to test it, not just take it as gospel because you are taught that it is not right to question people in certain positions. If Paul was questioned, then anyone (including your 'Prophets and Apostles' should be examined).
Mormons do have the terminology down, but it is not the terms that are important as much as the meaning to the terms that are vital. You claim to worship Jesus, but which Jesus do you worship? There are several. The one LDS claims is the spirit brother of Lucifer. No where in the Bible is this found. Because one of your Prophets claimed this does not make it true. Jesus is God, came to earth and died for our sins and rose again(see, you have this part). Yet, LDS doctrine teaches that Jesus atonement is not fully sufficient for all sins. LDS teaches that there are sins that a man must pay for with his life (Blood Atonement-I believe). For Christians, Christ is all-sufficient for all sins. There is but one sin that a man cannot receive forgiveness for and that is the Blaspheming of the Holy Spirit.
God, LDS claims, was a man who became God. This is a huge problem, as man cannot ever through any amount of work evolve to or earn his godship. Salvation is a gift through grace. Going to Heaven is as good as it gets and why would it need to get any better. Focusing on God through Jesus is the point of salvation. Mormons point to becoming gods-which is, in my opinion, selfish ambition.
Finally, I do have several points, but I do not want to overdo it. I am interested in sincere conversation. Faith is important. You are trying to live your faith, which is admirable. It is good to know why you believe what you believe. It is also vital to question and search. Don't be afraid to ask really hard questions. God said in his word "When you search for me, you will find me, when you search with ALL YOUR HEART!" Ask him and he can show you. Don't fear what you may find. If you fear, you will never know the whole story and your faith will be blind!
I am not at all offended by your comments. But, I am familiar with them...
You must know, that we all begin to know truth by the exercise of Faith in Jesus Christ and His teachings? This is the beginning of my own personal journey into truth, unto now - what I believe to be a strong testimony of those early teachings.
I have been an active member of the LDS Church for now over 30 years. I have been through more than I will ever reveal in my writings. (the details) But, what I do write will - be the witness of those truths tested. The truths of which I bear testimony to - are those things which have now surpassed my early faith.
From my personal experiences - the teachings of the LDS Church are truth. This is not based upon faith only. Faith without works is dead. That means we must test those things that we believe to be true, in order to know that they are such.
So this point that you have made is a legitimate - one.
My concern is that perhaps you believe that 'Mormons' are simply exercising shallow 'faith' in that which is not true. Therefore, your perceived assumption is that Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints have been led astray from "true" Christianity - as taught by what you personally believe to be the "only" truth available.
LDS people have chosen to accept, through personal revelation - that "new" revelation is available to man, today. But this is far from the "blind" faith, of which you are suggesting.
The hallmark of membership in the Mormon Church - IS the very personal testimony, which is had by each and every individual member of The Church.This is very far from blind faith and obedience.
Members of the LDS Church, claim through Priesthood authority - The Gift of the Holy Ghost. This gift then, becomes a personal guide into all truth, through revelation. Revelation is much more than a burning feeling in the bosom. We understand this too.
This personal revelation supersedes any man, who stands at the head of the LDS Church.
Members of the LDS Church, are only willing to "follow" the leadership and authority of these Leaders of the Mormon Church, because of a personal witness through the Holy Ghost.
Just because a man has spoken it and proclaimed it to be from the "Lord" - still does not bind a member of the Church to it.... only the Spirit can do that.
The gift of the Spirit is clearly manifest in the LDS Church today, lest - how does one explain... that over 13 million people willing make a "choice" - to follow a Prophet of God?
The things of God can only be understood by the Spirit of God, hence your misunderstanding of Mormonism and the grand revelations of truth which are available to those who are "willing" to at least listen to those truths.
Many of the 'doctrines' of which you refer to in your comment, are misunderstood - so of course they would sound odd to a non-mormon. They sound strange to me in the way you describe them.
Last, but certainly the most important - is that you know - that Mormons accept fully our need for Jesus Christ and His Atonement... there is no other way!
We fully realize that nothing that we do could ever possibly add to what He Only has done.
Thank you for your respectful comment.
I hope that through more study and association with members of the LDS faith, you will come to know that we most certainly do believe in the only Jesus Christ.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
First, please let me say that leaving a comment here feels a bit like beating a dead horse. I feel that you are impassioned about your beliefs and sincere too. I share the same faith but have come to terms with the Mormon hating/LDS doctrine bashing element of things in a different way. I feel that who I am and how I deport myself is a louder statement of what I believe than an argument that I am a Christian. Only God can judge that. I love Christ, have many imperfections, many many prides and pitfalls to my personality. I have some friends that would like to "save me" from "my beliefs". I put those two words in quotes because I get really squirrelly about people telling me what I believe. I love my friends and know they mean well, and even more, know they love me too. These are friends I would call in the middle of the night when I'm in labor and need to go to the hospital. They are not fairweather friends. I'm thankful to have friends in my life like that. But we will never, and I do mean NEVER see eye to eye on certain things, because they are so busy telling me what I think. How do they KNOW? Anyway, I let the dross fall away and cherish what I value in our commonalities, knowing our differences will make us stronger. I feel this way about my LDS friends too.
With Love...
Some of the reasons Christians believe Mormons to be none Christians based on.
1. Mormons believe that God before he was God was a Man.
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith on page 345 - "I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth, for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why He interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible. Say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form, like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another. In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, page 345
Joseph Smith states that God was once a man like we are now, thus teaching that God was first a man who became a God.
Joseph Smith states that he is going to prove from the Bible that God was once a man.
Joseph Smith states that God has not been God from all eternity and that he will refute that idea.
Joseph Smith states he is going to tell us how God came to be God.
2. Mormons believe they can become Gods.
President Gordon B. Hinckley of the Mormon Church stated: "The whole design of the gospel is to lead us, onward and upward to greater achievement, even, eventually, to godhood. This great possibility was enunciated by the Prophet Joseph Smith in the King Follet sermon (see Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 342-62) and emphasized by President Lorenzo Snow. It is this grand and incomparable concept: As God now is, man may become! (See The Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, comp. Clyde J. Williams, Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1984, p. 1.)" (Teachings of Gordon B. Hinckley, page 179)
President Gordon B. Hinckley endorses the teaching that God was once a man who became a God. And that Man may become as God is now.
In effect Mormans worship a Different God then Christians. Since Christians worship a God who has been from everlasting to everlasting and was not first a man.
The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them. (Deuteronomy 33:27)
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Psalms 90:2)
Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting. (Psalms 93:2)
Hast thou not known? Hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? There is no searching of his understanding. (Isaiah 40:28)
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith (Romans 16:26)
Even your owns scriptures from the book of mormon prove the point that God was never a man first.
the Lord your God... that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasur. (2 Nephi 29:7& 9, Book of Mormon)
For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting...For I know that God is not a partial God; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity. (Moroni 7:22; 8:18, Book of Mormon)
For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and to him there is no variableness neither shadow of changing (Mormon 9:9, Book of Mormon)
Thereby showing that he is the same God yesterday, today, and forever...By these things we know that there is a God in heaven, who is infinite and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting the same unchangeable God, the framer of heaven and earth, and all things which in them are. (Doctrines and Covenants 20:12&17)
The above references are from Mormon resources which are considered to be official revelation for doctrines. The above references prove the following:
God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
God is from everlasting to everlasting.
God is not one who changes from one stage to another, but is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.
With God there is no variableness neither changing. God is God period!
The God of all creation, framer of heaven and earth is infinite, eternal, and from everlasting to everlasting, the same unchangeable God!
These are just some of the differences of why Christians consider Mormons to be None Christians. I could go on and on with other points as well. Growing up a good part of my life in Utah I have known a lot of Mormons and still have a lot of Morman friends. They are nice people very moral minded and very strong on family values. In fact the rest of the world could learn a lot from their example on family values. But I also see people who basicly are indoctrinated at a early age into a very structured life style where the church leadership has total controle through family and church. A lot do not fully understand what their Church truely believes and why the Christian church does not accept them.
Although the bible states in several passages that God is from everlasting to everlasting I believe that this concept is applied to us in the universe, To our universe and all of it's creation which is unfathomable to the human mind. That is not to refute that there were other things that were created before us.
Now there are several passages in the scriptures that give the children of god the ability to ascend to the throne of God and thereby acchieve a Godlike status, It cannot be ignored , "Is it not written in your law that ye are Gods." John 10:34 We are "Heirs of God , and joint heirs with Christ." Acts 17:29 ""If a son then an heir of God through Christ" Galations 4:7 "When he shall appear we shall be like him." 1 John 3:2 "Him who overcommeth shall sit with me in my throne" Revelations 3:21
Just saying.
Sorry for bashing.
Hi James
Thank you for taking the time to respectfully clarify and identify some very powerful truths taught in the Bible, about Godhood. IMHO, I do not feel that you are bashing. I appreciate very much, you taking the time to comment.
tMDg
LdsNana-AskMormon
I just spoke with a man named Lynn G. Robins of the seventy who gave an excellent insight as to just how unfathomable the abilities of God are, For example; In the book of Abraham is is said that God showes him every person who has ever lived and ever will live. If you were to look individually at every person who ever lived for one second each, it would take two hundred years for you to finish. Hence in some way he had to have done something to pull Abrahams brain out of the space time continuum for him to see us all individually. Clearly there are things about God and the universe that we just couldn't begin to understand especially if God lives outside of our version of reality, but this also shows that a human body can do the same.
James -
Very intriguing ideas. As always, thanks for sharing. I hope you take a look at my latest Hub:-)
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
The infallible guidance of the inerrant Holy Spirit of Truth has resided continuously with the One True, Holy Christian Church. Divine, Living Guidance exists now, and always has, within this same One, True Christian Church. We are in the Age of the Holy Spirit, the Age of Public Prophets has passed. The One True Christian Church of the Apostles and their Successors has never fallen away, has never apostasized, and has never needed restoration. The One, and Only ONE, True, Living Lord G-d speaks through His Holy Spirit of Truth, which Christ also called the Advocate, which He said will be "with you ALWAYS until the End of Days" and resides in His One True Church to this day....the One True Church that never fell away, never apostasized, and has never needed restoring. This Church is the One and Only which speaks infallibly and inerrantly on Christian doctrine, and it was not invented nor contrived by a man in 19th century America, but founded by Jesus Christ Himself on the Rock, St Peter.
At True Baptism, we are ALL made "Priests, Prophets and Kings."
Mr Joseph Smith Jr is simply one more in a long, long list of heretics and apostates such as Mohammed, Montanus, Joseph Menno, John Hus, Martin Luther, Charles Taze Russell, David Koresh, Jim Jones, L. Ron Hubbard, Mary Baker Eddy, Ellen G. White, William Miller, Thomas Campbell, etc, etc, etc, etc, and on and on and on and on.
The easist thing to do in America is to invent a new religion. "Seth Speaks" - "A Course in Miracles" - neo-Wicca - neo-Paganism - the list goes on and on and on.
Quote: "The prophet Joseph Smith was asked the question -- what makes the Mormon Church different from any other church? Fair question, right? He answered this question by saying that it was the fact that we have and do believe in living prophets. Which is, that the Holy Ghost is truly manifest in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. That we are a people that look to a living prophet, who God speaks through, for the benefit of His people. No other church that I am aware of, holds to the belief in living prophets today. As strange as this may seem at first thought, it is true nonetheless."
I wish you good luck, you will need it.
SFRR -
Well, we certainly do have different beliefs. Thank you for sharing yours... Although, I do not place my salvation in "luck", but through faith in the Living Christ - as witnessed to me personally, by His Holy Spirit.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Most Mormons I know live Christlike lives and follow His teachings. I've always been puzzled why some people are so intolerant of other's religion. They want the right to believe as they choose, but try to tell others what they can't believe. Makes no sense. That's why our Pilgrim forefathers founded America: to guarantee religious freedom.
TLC Grandparent -
Exactly... And yet, many that do not accept Mormonism as Christianity, feel that it is because we do not accept the Grace of Jesus Christ through the atonement. Many feel that Mormons think that by keeping "laws" that this is what will "save" us. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Mormons believe in following Jesus Christ and keeping His commandments - this is what we believe "saves" anyone.
I believe that it is the following of Living Prophets, which is so foreign to other Christians that is where much confusion and misunderstanding enters in to the conversation.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
As far as I know, no other denomination of Christianity adds scriptures. They may interpret them differently, but not add them. Mormonism denies some of the basics of Christianity--that there is only one God, that Jesus was born from a virgin, that God was always God--by adding to it a complete denial of the Bible. You can't believe in both of them. Every other denomination of Christianity believes in only the Bible. The Bible itself tells you to believe in only the Bible.
This is how they say that mormons are not Christian.
http://www.carm.org/lds/lds_christian.htm
"Who gets to determine your religion?" The very basis of your belief determines it. For instance, I can't, say, believe in Buddha, attempt to follow the eightfold path, believe in Karma and Dharma, etc, and say I'm a Christian. None of those things are a part of Christianity. You're pretty much slapping a Christianity sticker on something that's not.
Aeril -
Just as I stated in my question, "Who gets to determine my religion?" -- Not anyone else, other than what I have personally chosen to believe is truth.
In your comment, YOU are attempting to interpret and determine the validity of Mormonism. However, from my perspective, understanding, and beliefs about the LDS Church, you have an incorrect perspective of what I actually know to be true - about how I personally worship God, and His Son - Jesus Christ.
I respectfully, respect your opinion about my faith, but I do not accept anyone telling me that I am not a Christian.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Are Mormons Better Christians?
Being a Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ. Just because the Mormon church has the words in their title 'The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints' doesnt mean they are Christians.
Being a Christian is also accepting Jesus Christ into your heart as your personal lord and Savior. Mormons do not do that, meaning they are not Christian.
--John
Actually John - Mormons DO accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. I guess that means, that Mormons are Christian. Now, you know:-)
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Well if Mormons are Christians, what makes them Mormon?
--John
Hi John -
"Mormon" is a nickname for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. Mormon was a great prophet, in the Book of Mormon. He abridged the records that had been kept by followers of Christ, here on the American continent. So, I guess, we're really not "Mormons". We are followers of Jesus Christ, who happen to be nicknamed, "Mormons". Most of us don't mind, because we know WHO we are. I'm sorry if that is a little bit confusing.
I thought Moroni was the prophet? Anyway, I do get what you are saying. I am a Christian and go to a Christian school and have been taught that Mormons are not Christians. I guess being told FROM a real Mormon that they are TRUE Christians, my thinking of Mormons will probably be altered a bit :). One thing - Why do Mormons believe in the Book of Mormon AND the Bible? If yall are Christians and have only been supposedly 'nicknamed' Mormons, then does there really have to be the Book of Mormon? Just a thought :)
--John
Hi John - Moroni is the son, of this same Mormon. Moroni was the last prophet to handle the record, (The Book of Mormon) before it was buried. There were many prophets who kept a record of their dealings with God, in The Book of Mormon.
The Bible, is a wonderful testimony of the divinity of Jesus Christ, and His mission. The Book of Mormon, is a second witness to the authenticiy of The Holy Bible. Members of the LDS Church, consider both of these sacred texts to be valuable sources in testifying that Jesus is the Christ!
Remember, that Jesus clearly taught that He had "other sheep" that were not of the fold he was currently ministering to, that He planned to go and teach. In the record of The Book of Mormon, there is a beautiful account of the resurrected Savior's visitation to the people of the American continent. Just as we should expect.
Thank you so much for asking such great questions.
tDMg LdsNana-AskMormon
The Book of Mormon - The Most Correct Book Of Any On Earth. http://hubpages.com/hub/BookMormonMostCorrectOnEar
Great, thanks for the quick answers! Also, what do you and other Mormons believe about after we die? Where do yall believe we go?
--John
Hi John -
Mormons believe in a literal resurrection. We believe that there are multiple degrees in Heaven. That is such a great question, that I will answer in more detail, and write a complete Hub. Thank you for asking:-)
Stay tuned...
tDMg
LdsNana
You can also visit http://mormons.org to read what they have posted, on the topic.
Well, what I meant to say is do if Mormons are Christians, then don't yall believe that when you die you go to heaven to be with the Lord? I have learned that Mormons believe they get their own planet or something when they die. Is this true? Also, do you believe that you lived before you lived on this earth? Im interested :) Thanks!
--John
John -
Yes, Mormons believe that if we are faithful to Jesus Christ in this life, that we will dwell with Him, in heaven, throughout all eternity. We believe that being faithful, means truly taking the keeping of His commandments, quite seriously. We know that we can never be perfect, as Jesus Christ was perfect, however - we believe that we are expected to do our very best.
We also believe, that if it were not for the atonement of Jesus Christ, there would be no possibility of our ever returning to live with Him. We acknowledge our complete dependence upon Jesus Christ, for salvation.
And yes, we do believe that we lived in Heaven, before we came to this earth. The planet thing, well - that's pretty deep. I'd prefer not to even try to answer that, in a comment:-)
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Ok, thanks for answering all my questions. Get back with me on that hub :)
--John
Yes, I believe that some Mormons are Christians, just as some Catholics and some Protestants are Christians. I believe that a Christian is one who follows Jesus Christ, as a disciple. This is no different today than it was in Jesus' time. Either you are his disciple or you are not.
Jesus said that if we are his disciples we will love him and love each other, and it is the way we love each other that will show the world that we are his true disciples. This is the measure by which I determine if someone is a Christian.
But I am concerned about some of the Mormon beliefs. Joseph Smith claimed that when he was translating the golden tablets, he would ask the angel Moroni if his translation was correct, and he was not allowed to move on until it was correct. By this he indicated that the translation was absolutely correct and without error. And yet the Mormon church has retranslated the book of Mormon repeatedly to correct Joseph Smith's perfectly correct translation. This casts serious doubt on Jospeh Smith's integrity as a prophet and the Bible says that if a prophet is proven to have lied, then he is not a prophet of God.
The Mormon church publishes the book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price and other Mormon texts online. Reading these texts, I was amazed by the Mormon believe of Eternal Progression that says "As man is, God was; as God is, man may become". Since Adam and Eve were kicked out of Paradise for accepting the lies of the serpent who told them that they could become like God, I cannot accept as true this believe of the Mormon church and when this view is challenged and the status of Joseph Smith as a prophet of God is challenged, I must say I cannot accept the belief that the Mormon church has returned to the true church of Jesus but has created their own version of Christianity.
God bless you whether you stay in the Mormon church or choose to find another church. I will pray for you. I hope you will look closely at the Mormon prophets and compare what they have said to what the Bible says, and consider the Bible's warnings about accepting the words of false prophets.
In the end, no one can judge you except Jesus Christ himself. I pray that you have his salvation, and that if you do not you will not rest until you do.
God bless!
Ron E -
I like the way you distinguish "Christians". In regards to how The Book of Mormon was translated... Joseph Smith said that it was translated by "the gift and power of God". Never I have read any LDS history where "Moroni" had anything to do with the translation of the text, other than delivering it to Joseph. In fact, one of the truly amazing things about "how" Joseph went about translating - is that he would verbally give the translation to a transcriber, and when done for the moment, he would cover the work and leave. Upon his return to continue - he NEVER even looked at what he had previously translated to see where he should pick up -- that's amazing. This was testified of, by those few who transcribed for the prophet.
As far as editing of the book - yes, there have been many corrections in grammar, etc.... but none of the editing has taken or added to the doctrine that is taught in The Book of Mormon. BTW, have you any idea of how many times the Bible has been edited, etc... particularly since many new texts have been discovered. Most of the time, people have no idea this is even being done. It just occurs in the next publication. Fascinating, isn't it.
This article might be of interest to you....
http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/Book_of_Morm
And lastly, Mormons do not defend their claim that they are the "re-established original Christian church" upon the earth today, but we do invite others to read the book of mormon to find out for themselves that it is indeed true. The Book of Mormon is the "Keystone" of our religion - and we allow it to testify of the validity of the LDS church.
I just published this article that speaks to this very issue. I hope you will read it. Again, I thank you for taking the time to comment and learn more about what Mormons believe.
tDMg
Good hub. I like how you are informed about mormons and provide sound truth about what Mormons believe on the internet. You also understand SEO so when people search for questions about mormons often times your hubs will appear in the first page of google instead of some anti-mormon false information.
caderade2 -
Thank you. That's GREAT news:-)
tDMg
I am a Christian and a former Mormon. Mormonism is not part of Christianity. Until you understand the pillars of Christianity, I don't think that you will understand this. Changing definitions does not cut it. If I demand that I am a baseball player but don't play, then I am still not a baseball player.
Charles -
As a former Mormon, it is most likely that you never fully understood the doctrine of Mormonism; else you would agree that Mormons are indeed, Christians.
tDMg
Interesting topic, and I admire your decision to post this explanation. I have been involved in debates on this subject on IMDb message boards and there is the usual discussion from evangelical types who have not bothered to educate themselves about Mormon beliefs, as you provide here.
I grew up in the LDS church but encountered some differences and drifted away from it a few years ago. I remained a Christian, and told a pastor of a congregation I was attending that I found Christ through my membership in the LDS church. I find the notion that Mormons are not Christians to be unfounded. In interviewing with an elder of a Presbyterian congegation to determine my eligibility for joining them he asked me a series of questions about Christ. I answered as sincerely as possible and passed by his standards. I would also have passed a baptismal interview for becoming LDS with the same discussion. The concept in both groups really did not vary as is often claimed. The concept of The Trinity and the Mormon concept of the Godhead are really rather close, and I feel neither fully descibes the nature of the roles of The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit). I feel our mortal minds really are not equiped to fully handle this, so these concepts were developed to help us gain a handle on the topic.
But I have a question for you. I have a MS degree in geology from BYU where all science faculty firmly held that evolution has taken place in life over a vast period of time. However, in the religion department many of the faculty were creationists, holding to esentially the same stand as evanglical Christians and holding to a rather literal interpretation of the Bible. In your opinion what percentage of Mormons are on the various sides of this topic?
geode -
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
I have no clue as to what position individual members have, percentage wise, on the topic of evolution/creationism. In my experience it is not a topic that comes up for discussion in general meetings. And to be quite honest I don't believe most members really consider it something to investigate.
Personally, I believe that there is great reason to believe that science and religion will ultimately meet on this subject, to the surprise of all;)
tDMg
What a refreshing debate of Christian and Mormon apologetics and theological debate. It is nice to see civil discussion of the ideological differences without name calling and unnecessary hostility. While I am not Mormon, and I do not believe or accept the Book of Mormon to be truth, I do consider myself a "born again" Christian. I am often baffled by the "infighting" that takes place between many Christian denominations, and without a doubt it must grieve God. While as mere humans, with our somewhat limited understanding of God, debate, argue, and bicker about the semantics of our faith based on throwing various scriptural references at one another, many of us seem to forget that ultimate judgement will be by God; a fact left out by many of the "experts". From studying his word, what can be established throughout the Bible is that:
Grace encompasses His Holiness
Grace encompasses His Truth
Grace encompasses His Righteousness
Grace encompasses His Justice
Grace encompasses His Goodness
Grace encompasses His Love
Grace encompasses His Mercy
Our God is a merciful God, and he knows the most intimate details of our hearts. I am but just one person and cannot judge or determine God's plan for eternal salvation of people based on their varying ideological bias, nor can any man. And those who do are arrogant, self righteous and are deceiving themselves. I have a few LDS friends and their commitment to their faith and desire to live a life honouring God is admirable.
However, while after many years of studying, I do believe the Mormon variation of the Christian faith is fundamentaly flawed (like many other "denominations" including, perhaps mine), I also believe through God's love and mercy, those who strive to truly seek him, those who keep his commandments and seek forgiveness, and those who accept his grace through faith, will be saved.
It is refreshing, unless of course your comments are never posted to the forum. Praise the Lord.
- Harlan
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BartholomewKlick 4 years ago
Who, exactly, argues that Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity?